Yeah i do actually remember. As i said i think the best digital camcorder on the market right now is the Panasonic DVX100, i use one myself, and i think its great. no complaints. and it costs less than half as much as the canon XL-1 did when it first came out, and its twice as much camera. best part of it is....its small, and inconspicuous, which is great for gorilla filmmaking, not giant and flashy like the XL1, and most likely the XL2 even moreso. I'll stick with my DVX100 unless canon can REALLY impress me with the XL2, which i doubt will happen